Friday, January 30, 2009

Sam Vaknin: Diagnosed Psychopath

July 24, 2009 Update : Dr Robert Hare reacts to the film (below)
Filmmaker says that DVD coming out soon!

March 26, 2009

I have been debunking SV and his acolytes ever since an aborted stint of revictimisation on his forum at Suite 101 (now, happily, defunct.) I have always asserted that he is a psychopath:
Anatomy of Malignant Narcissism, Malignant Narcissism: Vaknin Revisited.

I was watching a documentary last night, I, Psychopath
where a purported psychopath allows himself to be filmed as he travels in search of a diagnosis. It turned out to be Sam Vaknin. What the...? He has always proclaimed himself a narcissist, spamming the web with declarations of extra special knowledge, with particular insight into the victims of narcissists.

I was blown away. This little gem of a documentary follows him and his wife of 11 years, as they are tested and interviewed by various researchers, SV for psychopathy, Lydja as victim. There is now solid,
empirical proof that he is a psychopath.
Link
Outcomes:
In England, SV was given the MMPI. He began to throw a tantrum when the researcher, a psychologist, probed about his so-called Ph.D., which we know for fact, is from a diploma mill. Can't touch Sammy's ego, expose him, even though in a sequence later, he casually had admitted to the film-maker, Ian Walker, that he, indeed, purchased it from a diploma-mill and that it's worthless. Which throws the filmmaker for a loop. SV simply moved the goalposts when it was to his advantage. What we see here is the psychopath playing whatever angle suits him at the moment. For him, all "truths' are equal. He is not invested in any of them, or, as it turns out, in anything.

His MMPI profile was illustrated by a graph showing several personality disorders; this, as I understand, represented a 'trend' which is compared with similar graphic trends from different populations: successful corporate psychopaths, criminal psychopaths, and the psychiatric population. SV boasts that he made and lost millions and that is borne out in the research. But, surprisingly, SV did not match the trend of successful corporate psychopaths-
he matched the psychiatric population! In other words, he's nothing special.

Afterwards, the researcher mused about the implications: what does someone do, how does someone manage, if they lose that identity? Walker took it a step further: was SV putting on this persona and he really wasn't a psychopath? Was he conning everyone about being a con? Yet conning suggests a psychopath!

Secondly, SV's wife of 11 years, Lidja, was interviewed by another researcher who studies victims of psychopaths. She was tested, and then asked to answer the psychopathy checklist for SV. She scored similarly to other victims of psychopaths in that she was highly empathic, highly emotional and generous. Yet, her scores for SV on the psychopathy checklist were very low, which the researcher said was unusual. Asked about her perception of SV afterwards, Lidja asserted that he was not abusive and was an honest man.

Yet late in the film, we hear her being callously and coldly evaluated, 'clinically' trashed by SV in a separate interview. He 'dispassionately' asserts that there is no love and no sex and she wants a baby but there will be no baby and yet she stays. It's an intensely humiliating moment for Lydja, as she watches the tape and has no obvious reaction though there is a light veil of frozen pain suffusing her face. Much later on she says she had given up on love so then she met SV. In my estimation her reactions and thoughts were classically those of someone completely held in thrall, brainwashed. SV is no slouch in that department and very thorough.

The third set of researchers in Germany revealed some truly hard evidence. SV and Lydja were subjected to MRIs to watch for changes in the insula, an area of the brain which has a role in basic emotions. They were each given a visual challenge to control their emotions; emotions were quantified visually by a bar graph for the subject who must then think of things to raise the bar or lower it. His wife was the control subject and showed normal emotional response.
His flatlined. SV is only capable of "cold emotion".

SV was also given a battery of tests and a series of interviews over several days, and the researchers secretly obtained reports from his family in Israel. He was also given an abbreviated version of the Hare Psychopathy Checklist .

On the European scale SV scored a 13 which suggests he is not a psychopath. He immediately adapted to that idea by saying he always thought he was a narcissist anyway. On the American scale, he scored an 18, which Hare, in the film, said represents less than 1% of the general population. In relation to psychopathy, it is in the stratosphere.

Sam Vaknin is a psychopath (I believe him to be a sadistic psychopath), not just a garden variety narcissist. He has adopted this persona of narcissist because it suits his purposes and allows him to victimise a world full of vulnerable people while aggrandising and amusing himself. He purportedly has an IQ of 185; that's a lot of potential damage.

The most telling aspect of this film for me is the effect of hanging with SV on the film-maker, Walker. There are secret camera-phone videos of SV raging at him. More on this later.

I, too, was creeped out; I have described in the past how insidious and toxic are the effects of a psychopath on the victim's psyche. I described it as a slowly creeping poison***. That's what the psychopath says at the beginning- those are his exact words. What were the chances, huh? And that is what we see in the film- how over time SV affects Walker's ability to think straight, raises doubts about his perceptions and reality. It's a perfect case study of what happens when you come into contact with a mental rapist. You can see the mind fuck unfolding and if you're really well-versed in their strategies, you can see how the psychopath operates. And of course, the most important aspect to the mind fuck is that t
he victim listens to the content.

And therein lies the crux and the warning, in my estimation: if you listen to the
content, you will be destabilised and lose your mental and emotional footing, you will be subtly undermined, mind fucked and start to fragment and disintegrate bit by slow bit. It concerns me because SV's essays on the victims of narcissists is a psychopath's unreal, distorted assessment of human beings. As a psychopath, he is not capable of seeing human beings as a whole; he is only capable of seeing them through a damaged and twisted lense. Anyone who listens to his perceptions and especially his advice, no matter how convincing it seems, is being revictimised and damaged further. The psychopath does only damage. SV is the (also psychopathic) L Ron Hubbard of the psychobabble movement.

The psychopath lives from moment to moment, changes his story at will, and is not invested in anything. The only true emotions he knows are paranoia, rage and contempt. The thin veneer of civilisation and civility lies in his moments as a 'master assessor' of the human condition. Psych speak is his nuclear arsenal. That is all. He has no insight into himself or anyone else. Just jargon. His entire world is created of psychiatrese. There is nothing real about it, or understandable. He is merely a technician who is incapable of fixing anything. His pyrotechnical con is just more elaborate than most. Epic fail.

The final moments of the film are spent with the reactions of the filmmaker, Ian Walker, as SV (via secret camera) rages on and on at him, not bothering with charm any longer. Unleashing on him an unrelieved arsenal of criticism and scorn, I wonder why... I think it's because the filming was coming to an end and the filmmaker was no longer useful... Or it amused the psychopath to do it... It's about control... Whatever. I realise I am getting seduced by the content. 'Why' doesn't really matter when it comes to dealing with a psychopath.

Walker admits to doubting his own reality over time, that he is starting to wonder if he is to blame for everything, wonders if he is being manipulated to make the film that SV wants. He cancels the last day of filming, there is a cold parting. In his hotel room, while scraping off a scruffy, days old beard, he takes a long, hot, cleansing shower.

Nearing the end of the film, and seeing Walker's dawning distress, I became agitated. Even watching it, you feel the mind fuck over time. This is what it was like for me with psychoguy- he didn't rage per se, unless you can call rage an icy and callous barely hidden moral imperiousness. They adapt to the interests and 'vulnerabilities' of the person they've targeted for their own desires; I truly doubt that they know the reasons. Now I feel like taking a shower.

After watching this, I seriously entertained for the first time, the notion of whether psychopaths are actually human as we understand human beings to be. I have called psychopaths subhuman in the past. They look like human beings, walk and talk like human beings, but what if they are am evolutionary sub-species, indeed, subhuman? The majority of research suggests that they are hard-wired. Perhaps there should be a new
homus sub-classification for them. Is it possible that they, at best, possess only a rudimentary soul?

*** Date: December 18, 2001 11:25 AM

He's the master of the single word or two- injected poison in a sentence. No need to abuse and trash. Better to hit the nerve. Better to do it exquisitely, with finesse.

have been to your site and read your N's trash. I don't know how you can take it. The only way I would be able to is to ignore it. Nowadays I turn a blind eye to that sort of thing, recognise it for what it is and ignore it. It's purely trash and means nothing. I don't think there's any emotion whatsoever behind it. Sometimes I don't think it's even hatred. It's just him trying to keep you in the game. I truly don't think they're angry all the time. Even angry words may be without feeling, cause I think it's all for effect. "IloveyouIhateyou" often I think it's all the same to them, often it seems that words have no meaning for them. Just a weapon, a poison dart to throw at the appropriate time to keep control.

From: MSN NicknameInvictaTwo (Original Message)Sent: 11/11/2004 3:37 AM
From: InvictaTwo Sent: 4/23/2003 12:08 AM

Brandi,
I felt after a certain point that psychoguy was trying to merge with me, that that's what he wanted. That somehow his poison would become mine and he would not be alone. He injected it into me bit by bit. and his poison lived inside of me and felt like mine but I knew it was not. yet, i couldn't rid myself of it- I felt it was too great for me, I felt in thrall, I felt that it might overwhelm me and that I would remain subject to its peculiar, venomous, darkness forever. I was really scared.

A series of dreams and psychic events among other things, plus a Jewish ritual (spiritual)cleansing and prayers for spiritual healing finally pulled me out of it enough to get back on track. But for a very long time I was afraid I would be lost in it. It was frightening. It felt like voodoo.

Most insightful post, btw......and yes it is surreal for you because it is PTS at work as is the fog, it happened to me for months- it is cognitive and physical and the sense of the poison is greater because of that- in a sense, you are still in thrall....but it does get better and the poison seeps away over time. True Life kills it. I promise.
Hugs to you,
~Invicta

Update, July 24, 2009. Response from Dr Hare:

Ian,

Just watched the CBC broadcast of I, Psychopath. You did a brilliant job, arguably the first documentary to capture the complex, fascinating, and destructive interplay between psychopath and victim.

Perhaps most remarkable was your insightful and amazing documentation of the manner in which you became an integral part of the action. You experienced first-hand what it is like to be caught in the psychopath’s web of deceit, manipulation, domination and control, and to be subjected to psychological and emotional abuse that can be every bit as debilitating and demeaning their physical counterparts.

Fortunately your exposure was time-limited, and you were able to extricate yourself from the situation. The other victim in the documentary clearly is not so fortunate. Like many victims she is trapped in a macabre dance with an unfeeling, controlling partner.

Awards for this documentary should follow if there is any justice in the media world.

Robert Hare, PhD

http://www.i-psychopath.com/?page_id=16 (Update: Link no longer available)

Watch it here: I, Psychopath


22 comments:

James said...

Thanks!

Not being a very big fan of SV myself I enjoy the information you wrote about SV and his wife.

Having had some exposure albeit it short with SV on a forum and having read some of his book about (for free) what he has to says about NPD was for me anyway a joke. To me it’s like the blind leading the blind. I mean how can anyone take what any “known” NPD tells you? I not surprise to learn there is nothing “special” about SV. There are other authors and books that can help victims understand about these toxic relationship and how to heal from them over time. To me SV book is more about capitalizing on his disorder then helping anyone other then himself. A true NPD to the bitter end...

Anyway thanks again for the information!

Timon said...

Thanks very much for putting this info out there, it is nice to see a page about NPD and narcissism that isn't tainted with Vaknin's self-serving, self-promoting BS. Also I was wondering if you knew where I could see the 'I, Psychopath' documentary. I tried to get it streaming on the CBC website...it says full length movies are only available in Canada, but I am in Canada and all I can find is a 54 second promo clip. Am I missing something? Is there a full length video available that I'm missing out on? Or is it just the clip that's available?

Also, something else I wasn't really clear on:
What's the difference between psychopathy/malignant narcissism and vanilla NPD?

Finally, thanks again for doing this website.

qikiprana said...

Plunking this here as it's your last post and didn't want to attach it in a post that was buried in the past...

Have you heard of William A. McConochie, Ph.D., Psychologist work? His website is: Political Psychology Research, Inc.(politicalpsychologyresearch.com) and be sure to see his video: The Psychology of Violence, Warmongering and a New Democracy, Part I: Lecture - link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9019372013108327136&ei=_sBfSuC6EY3AqgP1-aEd&q=war+mongering&hl=en

If you haven't seen it, you absolutely must!!!! I mean must!!! He actually developed a methodology of statistically identifying this behaviour and the percentage of said in society.

All the best, and thank you for your efforts on behalf of loving all of us!!!

qikiprana (cheeky prana)

Anonymous said...

how bored am i?


i visited and read vaknun's site
i read and followed link at varius forum about N and P
i read this and other blog on the matter


i bothered to comment..

i dint think vankin the auther here or any of the participent in those forums are N P or victom of.

they just want atention and are bored

time to fing best thing with one's time


P.S dout that any og you are phd or have 185 iq.

p.p.s gonna chat in isrealy chat or meet same bored women on one of the N P forums.

peace dude.

Barbara said...

Here's a link for you Invicta:
http://blip.tv/file/2268740

Invicta said...

Many thanks, Barbara!

Anonymous said...

So often, we as humans live our lives "Backwards" we let our traumatic childhood experiences become our adult experiences....

“Embrace nothing:
If you meet the Buddha, kill the Buddha. If you meet your father, kill your father. Only live your life as it is, Not bound to anything.”~Buddha

Running into SV was and is your Buddha, SV is someone from your past, your childhood. Your energy drew you to SV, and the past was played out with the same outcome.

It is about reconzing your subconscious, the enegry that draws others to you, you can't change the past, but reconizing it helps you to stop playing it out with the same disasterous results.

Killing the Buddha means that we must stop looking at others to solve our own issues. Until we realize that our past i.e. our Buddha will keep getting the best of us.

You can only take another person as far as you have gone yourself.

Negativeions said...

Thanks for the info. I think I've been a victim of a narcissist. I've been brainwashed and feel very inadequate and pathetic for not being smart enough to see it and for going with it for so long. My lack of confidence and direction was completely taken advantage of. It's time I start doing things for myself.

chrisa said...

i am very unsure now of how to proceed with my recovery from an N sister. i joined an on-line forum in which the subject of this post is an administrator.
i am not altogether sure as to what his role is there with the members. there are many posts by him there and i notice most lead back to his book and how to purchase it and really offer nothing directly. why would a forum that is set up to help those dealing with N's or P's in their lives, encourage or have this person acting as an adviser in any capacity?

i watched the documentory on this man and his wife and i am very disturbed, i am afraid i may very well be in the wrong place. i have some therapy arranged for myself next month to begin on a regular basis, to cope with all i have been through, but i thought that this forum i joined would be beneficial, now i am not so sure.

Anonymous said...

Wow. I have believed for a long time that a Narcissist is a body who is without a soul. Literally.

I used to wonder why God would put Narcissists here on earth, what their purpose is. But now I know that it is not God's purpose. They are without God.

I picture them as little children being abused by their mom. And, I picture their soul bailing out on their body, leaving their body.

And there remains simply a soulless human being!

Anonymous said...

Sam Vaknin has another website going for victims of abuse, it's been up a couple of years now. http://thepsychopath.freeforums.org/interested-to-participate-in-a-case-study-t10267.html
I spotted a few red flags on the site and when I checked it out further his name came up.

gavgams said...

"I, psychopath" has just been screened on ABC tv in Aust.
I'm intersted in the NPD thing as I was shook up with a woman friend who I reckon has got this full on.

Anyway, there is a great interview available on line (mp3)with Ian (maker of doco) and Bob Hare. and a link to the film

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/latenightlive/stories/2010/2854555.htm

Maybe you could put this link up as a post, Invicta? so others will get a ref about it. It's really a rich and rewarding reflection on the doco and the after effects, and the condition, etc.

Thanks for your care, Invicta
Bye

Anonymous said...

I don't think SV is any big deal, to be honest. There's seems to be a standard persona of some (many?) middle Easterners that's very much like that, it's an ego defence mechanism, it's culturally shaped also, and pretty transparent and laughable. Nobody has to take people like that seriously, you can just walk away, which in the end is usually what happens in these people's lives. More to be pitied than feared.

I know someone from Iran who is 'descended from royalty' who has psychiatric problems with paranoia and narcissism, and is remarkably similar in persona to SV. I've given up even going out for coffee with them as a favour as their narcissistic behaviours are just too transparent and disturbed to make it worthwhile. She loses a lot of friends all the time, is extremely superficial and impressionistic in her relationships, etc etc, as per DSM-IV and all the rest. It only gets worse and sometimes beggars the imagination in fact, especially when you couple it with paranoia. The usual multi-dimensional problem, or co-morbidity or dual diagnosis or whatever.

As I said, the smartest thing to do is just walk away from people like that, you're not obliged to engage with them, if you have to work to one in a dysfunctional workplace hierarchy, get them disciplined if you dare go over their heads, or change jobs for your own peace of mind, but these people inevitably end up either alone or surrounded by masochistic and needy types.

Anonymous said...

'I, Psychopath' can also be found on YouTube currently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKn4IYpXK6g

(in 5 parts)

Thank you Invicta for your great work, very much appreciated!

Anonymous said...

Excellent work!
I'm not all that impressed with SV myself, seen his site - most people will be able to see through him/take what he says with a pinch of salt. Not entirely convinced about the IQ 185BS either, he doesn't come across as all that clever, just provides some very literary entertaining reading. A psychopath with an IQ that high really wouldn't be as laughably bold about it, they'd be far more subtle than that. Do people realise just how incredibly high and rare (therefore unlikely for SV...) an IQ like that is? Mine is in the top 2 percentile and its only 146! Most of the socios/Ps, Ns and BPDs I've met haven't been very good at covering themselves up ultimately either - it's the impulsiveness trait in them all you see, gets em all in the end. The rest of us just have to get out the popcorn, sit back and wait....for the inevitable meltdown.
The one thing about them is that they are very predictable once we know what to look for which is why your website is so valuable. We can't change them (they aint wired the same way) we can only arm ourselves and get the heck outta there ;)
In the long run it seems to me that SV is more of a playactor than a true danger to anyone really. He's an idiot because he's so obvious about it, and once people are aware of that, less will be affected by his make believe world.
I know it seems I'm minimising SV and such types. I'm truly not - my life and my career have been destroyed over the years by such demons in human form. I'm not naive to how dangerous they can be but as my veteranship has advanced, I've begun to see them in a different light - how pathetic they actually are.I firmly believe that once we decent folk know how to handle them with websites such as yours, they'll very quickly be beaten down because most are not as clever as they are commonly believed to be - just cunning. We've been confusing cunning with intelligence for a long time! =) xx

Anonymous said...

"I used to wonder why God would put Narcissists here on earth, what their purpose is. But now I know that it is not God's purpose. They are without God."

I think this statement really applies to psychopaths specifically, as they are the ones who are born without a conscience. It is hard to cohere the existence of psychopaths with the existence of a benevolent god. However, if psychopaths exist, then they MUST be part of God's purpose. If God is all powerful then anything that happens only happens by his will. God could put an end to psychopathy if he so desired.
You try to rationalize the contradiction between your world-view and the existence of psychopaths by positing that psychopathy has a largely environmental cause; "I picture them as little children being abused by their mom. And, I picture their soul bailing out on their body, leaving their body." But research repeatedly shows that psychopathy does not have an environmental basis. Twin studies suggest that psychopathy has a strong genetic component. This is largely due to the nuerobiological structure of the patient's brain, and is present from birth. A person with the best family in the world can still be a psychopath.
So the question must be asked; why would God allow for some people to be born without a conscience? If life is a test to see who will get into heaven, surely everyone must possess a conscience (an understanding of the difference between "right" and "wrong"). Psychopathy makes no sense from a theistic view, but makes total sense from an atheistic view. As social creatures, humans (like other social animals) have evolved the ability to empathise with others and to perform altruistic behaviours. This opens an evolutionary niche for the individual who is capable of manipulating the trusting masses. People like SV are proof that there is no God.

juliesugarbabydoll said...

Oh good, as a brand new discoverer of the absolute horror, my mother has been inflicting on me (enjoying every single minute of it with glee),

I saw Sam Vaknin's video on youtube and was disgusted, amazed that anyone would take him seriously, then disturbed to realize he and others like him, the patsy's the sycophant apologists for evil narcissism, had to comment.

Called him a freak, and wished him hellfire, damned to the seventh level, both in this life and that to come! Hope the guy enjoys spending eternity with his stoopid little wannabe pretenters!

Anonymous said...

Thank you very much for this site and article.

My family and I are going through the attacks, online defamation and slander of a psychopath right now and it is not fun :-)

I absolutely agree with you that psychopath are not human, but what I consider demons or other negative beings in human bodies.

Innocent people believing they are just humans like them is their best disguise and weapon in my opinion.

SV saying to the filmaker in I, Psychopath :'' I firmly believe that you want to believe that I am human'', is the most revealing statement and most authentic moment of the movie in my opinion.

I also agree with you that the best way to fighting these beings and their draining and truth twisting is on a spiritual level like you did with the shamanic cleansing ceremony you did. Taking a shower definitely falls in this category too. I noticed when I am under much attack that something wants to prevent me from taking showers and cleaning myself, because I believe it is easier for neagtive energies to attach to you, if your body is not clean. So if you feel you are under attack shower at least once a day, brush your teeth regularly and keep your finger and toe nails and your hair trimmed and your ears clean hahahahaha so you can hear the good voices not the negative and corrupt ones that try to being you down :-)

What psychopath or dark and negtive souls do to people is true voodoo and black negative magick just like you said, and it is no fun and can truly drain your life force and physically kill you if you do not know what is going and can't defend yourself ( just like the Death Eaters in the Harry Potter movies).

I bet you experienced plenty of psychic attack when attempting to cut the psychopath off. For other people who read this and do not know what I am talking about check out this article about symptoms of psychic attack:
http://www.mkprojects.com/fa_PsychicAttacks.htm

All the best to all of you you have suffered or are suffering right now from the attacks of a male or female psychopath. My heart goes out to you and I am sending you strength and courage that your authentic spirit will prevail in this war for minds and souls.

OnceSmitten said...

Vaknin is a piece of freakin' work, isn't he? I have to say, though, that he was one of the first people I read about narcissism from and for that I may always have the horse's mouth as mental reference. He does twist and turn and change the rules as he travels but overall what appears from his wacky antics is that his travels, such as they are, occur in a very small room. I read his ostensibly regretful and disappointed assignment of the "Inverted Narcissist" as being fundamentally hopeless and became belligerent and suspicious then, of his stuff, and was very glad to find this site and it's very much more interesting clarification of the nature of the beast, but again, Vaknin's kooky digressions were an interesting lesson in reptilian (my new perspective on the N mental process) language and thought.

Anonymous said...

Hi Invicta:
I really enjoyed reading this article/blog. You do write extremely well!

klck

Anonymous said...

There is truly a dark force at work in the unconcious reality of the 'N' and 'P's' and there is inevitably a psychic intrusion into the world of those intimately involved with them. It is even possible to share eventually share their psychosis. Their psychic chords attach to their prey on very deep levels and are difficult to disconnect from, even after the relationship has ended. I am just coming to realize now after being involved with an 'N' for 3 years.
This Dark force preys upon those who carry alot of light. It's the war that exists on our planet...the battle between light and dark. I do believe that the light will always prevail, we just need to learn how to protect the light inside.

Anonymous said...

nancy said...

Thanx all for your comments - my father & husband were both psychopaths-also boyfriend whom I moved on from 1&1/2 years ago, & broke up a friendship w "best friend"-narcisist- 2 mos ago before researching & realizing that was what I had been dealing with my whole life. - AnonyEmous is correct - it is about persons full of darkness stealing your light & infusing you with their poisonous dark energy. I am learning how to recognize this, heal & protect myself, keep my light for myself - sooo wonderful -when you really learn how to do this, you are astounded at how powerful you are & how pathetic & pitiable the narcissit & psychopath truly are
Much light to all of you.

Edited to remove book title.